Growing Together
Step into a virtual garden of spiritual growth and community connection with the "Growing Together" podcast. This podcast is a nurturing space for individuals seeking to deepen their faith, cultivate relationships, and explore the boundless beauty of a shared spiritual journey.
Each episode of "Growing Together" is a breath of fresh air, where Pastor Michael, Syd, Nic, Pastor Holly, and Pastor Roger try to navigate the twists and turns of life while staying rooted in faith. Their warm and inviting presence makes you feel like you're sitting in a cozy living room, engaged in a heartfelt conversation with old friends.
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Growing Together
The Bible Was Written for Us, But Not to Us
Ever found yourself battling the elements just to keep warm, only to be thwarted by a malfunctioning furnace? Join us as we dive into the trials and tribulations of maintaining warmth in our church with Pastor Holly. From the frustrations of canceling a Wednesday night service to the irony of avoiding cold when work demands otherwise, we share a candid conversation on keeping the congregation cozy. Our journey takes us through the practicalities of managing failing heating systems and the unexpected solutions that emerge, like sanding thermocouplers, to prevent a pipe-freezing disaster.
Isn’t it amusing how a simple tutu order mix-up can lead to colorful fashion discussions? Weather woes and wardrobe wonders dominate our conversation, as we explore the chaos of snow in sun-soaked regions like Florida and Biloxi. Personal stories about adapting to diverse climates surface, sparking musings on the allure of remote work during frosty days. The cozy comfort of home battles against the need for a change of scenery, while lively tales of unexpected weather twists keep the discussion light-hearted and engaging.
Our exploration of faith and morality adds a thoughtful layer as we unpack biblical scriptures with a fresh lens. Together with Pastor Holly, we challenge the conventional interpretations and delve into the historical context of controversial passages. Through pop culture references and historical musings, we question the existence of biblical artifacts and ponder the implications on faith and history. The episode rounds off with reflections on morality, exploring how belief shapes our ethical compass, followed by a heartfelt closing prayer, wishing for our conversation to inspire and resonate with you, our listeners.
Nobody's going to come in. I mean, I guess somebody could wander in. You say that now, yeah, I guess somebody could wander in, but yeah, Well, if we see anybody pull up, I can.
Speaker 1:So I'll just say it because I don't have a problem just saying it. I was talking to Pastor Holly earlier today. It's really frustrating to me that we cancel a Wednesday night service because it's cold outside. Listen to me, it was single digits on Sunday morning. All these people showed up for church. It is double digits right now and we think it's too cold to come out. I understand it was negative this morning.
Speaker 2:I get it, but come on look at it now.
Speaker 1:Listen, it's going to be this temperature every morning for the next week and we're all going to get up and go to work right, it's winter in Ohio and the building is warm. You go from the car to the building, the building to the car.
Speaker 4:I was not thinking it was real warm in here.
Speaker 1:Well, it's okay. Roger complained because it was hot, so we turned the heat down, I'm comfortable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we turned the heat down.
Speaker 1:It was like I turned on everything because when I got here today none of the furnaces were working, so all three of the furnaces on this side of the building were not running, so I had to get them all fired back up and got us running and I was worried that we were going to have frozen pipes. This was like 44 degrees in here when I got here today.
Speaker 4:Why were they not running?
Speaker 1:So if you want me to guess, I could speculate, which I'm happy to do. I would assume that all three need new thermocouplers. Roger and I have had to pull the thermocouplers on all three and sand them down so that they would be able to um light light, and so after it doesn't light for so long, it we get a little bit of a downdraft and it'll put out the, the pilot light. So my guess is that's what was wrong.
Speaker 1:The one is an electric ignition and that thermocoupler just needs to be replaced. They're not super expensive, but when you don't have the money, you just sand them. Yeah, sandpaper's cheap, sandpaper's cheap. Well, and we already have some.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've got an emergency piece of sandpaper back there, so just pull it out, sand it down, put it back in. I had a hard time getting the one to light. It would not light. It finally did so. You didn't say that. My guess is, this one's not working right now, though, based on how cold it is on the side of the building, that one's probably not working. Which one's that? The little one. The little one single, because the sanctuary has two furnaces, and then the little one actually does this whole side of the building. So so it does the cafe, both of the bathrooms, the council room, podcast room and the hallway.
Speaker 1:That's why the hallway's super cold and there's only one vent in the hallway.
Speaker 4:So we're going to have everything in working order on Saturday. I make no promises.
Speaker 1:Maybe not Wear a coat. No promises, exactly, and I am not on standby. I make no promises, exactly, and I am not on standby. I'm not on call for that. I thought you were doing. I will be here for coffee, but I have to leave after I'm done, so they go out. It's the same with the water running If the water starts running, I'm shutting it off. I don't know what else to do because I can't stop it.
Speaker 2:If the spirits move in, we're going to be in a tutu?
Speaker 1:Well, wear pants under it, beth. Geez, that got weird. This isn't like you know what. On second thought, I'm not coming for coffee service.
Speaker 4:Listen. I ordered my tutu to go clear to the floor.
Speaker 1:Not coming for coffee service.
Speaker 3:Never, I am wearing pants Lord, is it a teal tutu? No, don't ask what color I am wearing. Pants Lord, is it a teal tutu?
Speaker 4:No.
Speaker 3:Don't ask.
Speaker 1:What color?
Speaker 4:Pink.
Speaker 3:Why did you say it like that the eye roll Because You're going to look like a flamingo.
Speaker 4:I paid for my tutu A month ago, yeah, and she sent me a message that she couldn't get the black material, so now it's pink, yeah, and she sent me a message that she couldn't get the black material.
Speaker 1:Oh, so now it's pink. Mm-hmm Boy, that's quite a, that's a big jump. It's a drastic difference. Black to pink, still the black.
Speaker 4:Kind of had choices between green, lots of multiple different colors of green.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, that's what you should want with that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, lime green, or something Orals oranges.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's what you should want with that Lime green or something, orals, oranges, yeah, orals.
Speaker 4:And oranges, yeah, oranges. Have you ever seen me in that? Oh goodness. Goodness, goodness, I mostly stick to black, navy and brown.
Speaker 2:Oh, she's boring she is All right just needs to step out of that comfort zone. No adventure yeah.
Speaker 5:I'm just glad I didn't plan a getaway to florida this week, right? No kidding how mad would you be?
Speaker 1:how mad would you be? So I have a friend, uh, who we were good friends with her in when we lived in newark and she moved to florida and I we were always like on facebook tagging each other hey, game night, whatever. Because we did lots of game nights when we lived down there. We had a really close group of friends that it was probably at least three Saturdays a month. We were at somebody's house playing board games and she saw one of the posts, one of the old posts, that said, hey, when are we having another game night? And she commented and said, oh so much, missed it so much, or how about this weekend, or something like that. And said, oh so much, miss it so much, or how about this weekend, or something like that. And I said, yeah, but we're coming to your place because it's cold up here. Well, now she's got like 12 inches of snow, so I guess it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2:It is just cold. My cousin sent me pictures, you know, from the beach. Yeah, with the snow, yeah.
Speaker 1:We lived in Biloxi, mississippi, for a while, I Mississippi for a while, I don't remember it.
Speaker 2:Oh, they got a lot of they got hammered.
Speaker 1:Like Biloxi Beach is white. It's crazy. Yeah, I can't imagine. And a lot of those houses don't have heat, because why would they? They don't need it. They don't have snow plows or salt trucks.
Speaker 2:No, everything is totally shut down.
Speaker 1:Yep, I remember when my grandma lived in Alabama. They'd get a dusting and people would lose their minds. They couldn't drive on the roads.
Speaker 4:My girlfriend Brooke moved to Louisiana and they don't have a furnace. They have a big fireplace and it has a blower on it if it gets chilly. She cracks me up, though, because she said it's freezing down here.
Speaker 1:It's 35 degrees, girl, we're walking around in short sleeve shirts and shorts whenever it's 35 degrees out. Alyssa and I were outside cleaning out the garage. The last time it was 35 degrees out. That's a heat wave, yeah right.
Speaker 4:I don't remember if it was last year or the year before that they got a little bit of snow down there and the hospital she worked at called her and said you know, we're putting cots up in the cafeteria.
Speaker 1:Nope.
Speaker 4:You know I'll drive home.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll figure it out.
Speaker 4:Because if you want to come in now, before you know the rest of the snow comes, because you know we're not going to accept call-offs for bad weather. And Brooke's. Like I'm from Ohio, I'm fine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I got this. I can drive in backwards. Trust me, I'm okay.
Speaker 2:I stayed at the hospital one time when the weather was really really bad and they wanted us to stay. I'm like never again. I've never called off work for weather. Never again would I do that. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like this morning I got up and I was slow moving. I'm like you know what I could work remote today. It's cold, Like I don't really need to go into the office, and I meandered around the house for a little bit and I'm like, if I don't go to the office, I'm going to go nuts. I'm out of here. I bolted.
Speaker 3:Like I was, like I got to go. You shut the laptop on second thought. Yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 1:Nobody was up, the house was quiet, but I decided it was time to go.
Speaker 2:So when the schools take a snow day, do your kids get a snow day as well.
Speaker 1:No, not typically, and the only reason we don't do that is because they're done by noon most days. Anyway, they do one. I don't want to say one lesson, but they'll do one subject a day, so no, not usually. Although my kids were outside this morning at like 9am it was negative 12 degrees out playing laser tag and eating snow, and they were out there for an hour, I'm like. I didn't like to walk to the car, but you had to go, just go through the garage.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what I said it was 32 degrees in the garage.
Speaker 1:I didn't like that. So, yeah, I mean, kids are kids are, strange man they. How cold was it your shopped today?
Speaker 5:it was cold and of all days. They decide that they're going to turn the electric off on my side of the building where my office is, so they can do maintenance for a new burn table they're going to install. So about 8 30 I'm in my office, lights go out, computer goes out, heat goes off and at first I thought they're playing a prank on us.
Speaker 1:I got you, so I'm like what the heck?
Speaker 5:And they're like oh yeah, we forgot. We're doing maintenance over here. I'm like today.
Speaker 1:Well, what are you supposed to do all day?
Speaker 5:It's only going to take an hour or two, I go. Okay, that's stupid.
Speaker 1:I'm like all right well, I guess right.
Speaker 5:Well, I guess I'm gonna go find some hot cocoa, and I did we have, um.
Speaker 1:Our office is attached to a golf simulator space, so we have a golf simulator inside of that space, um, and we have to walk through there to get to our offices and we usually heat it to about 70 degrees. Dude, the golf simulator is so hot at 70 degrees compared to our office. Our offices offices are freezing. I don't know how, but they are. So I've got a little space heater in my office that I kick on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, same.
Speaker 1:Listen, today I thought it caught my pant legs. I was sitting there and I was working. I'm like man it is toasty in here. I'm just working away and I'm like man I was. It felt good.
Speaker 3:I used to prop up my feet like right above it and oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if my phone rings whenever we get about another 15 minutes in, it's because there's a golf simulator appointment and it gets a little hairy.
Speaker 3:Do people rent it out?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's. You can rent it by the hour, so you can do 60 minutes, 90 minutes, 120 minutes, and then you can book as many appointments as you want. So if you want to do four hours, you can book two two-hour appointments. I don't normally handle the golf simulator. Somebody else does, but they're on vacation this week so, hey, it's all me and you have to remote connect to it to turn everything on and get it set up. It's not a big deal.
Speaker 1:It's not hard. It's worse when people mess it up Like somebody shut off the computer. So they have access to the computer but they don't have the actual computer. But they can go to the start menu and turn it off, which when people do that it creates chaos, because now I can't remote in to turn it on for the next guest, so I have to send somebody physically over there to power it on. So it's a real pain in the rump. But it was off today and for some reason I didn't get the last two notifications for appointments, which is a real pain, because they get there and then they call myself and they're like hey, we're here and it's not working Normally. I have a half hour to you know, because the way the windows work to figure it out.
Speaker 1:So they had to call somebody, have them run over and get it turned on. So hopefully they don't turn this one off.
Speaker 5:We'll see. Well, before I lose it, have you seen the little Bradford Exchange jumpsuits? Yes, jumpsuits. Oh my gosh, I was going to share it to you and it wouldn't let me. I want them so badly.
Speaker 1:But they're only six inches and they're $60 a piece.
Speaker 5:Yeah, they're six inches. I wasn't sure how tall they were.
Speaker 1:Six inches and they're $60 a piece. But they have the Aloha jumpsuit, they have the 68 comeback suit and they have the peacock. Now the problem with the peacock. Do you know what the problem is?
Speaker 5:No, really, nick. Well, I didn't look at it that closely.
Speaker 1:It's displayed with a cape. Elvis never wore a cape with a peacock jumpsuit. So, brad, I know, I know, that's what I said I thought they were authentic.
Speaker 3:No well, apparently not that one's not Apparently not.
Speaker 1:So Tiger Jumpsuit's coming. She emailed me today. That's a real thing, it's happening. I have enough saved for another one, so now the question is what's it going to be?
Speaker 3:Why don't?
Speaker 1:you get one that doesn't fit you, I think I'm going to buy from a different maker this time. Oh, there's a maker in Thailand. It's called AJM and Jumpsuit Makers. It's all they do, Dude. Theirs are legit, but they're like double the price too.
Speaker 5:How can that be like all they do? That's all they do. How many people buy these jumpsuits?
Speaker 1:There are three companies that this is all that they do. Okay, just in Ohio, you have Steve Yates he. There are three companies that this is all that they do. Okay, just in Ohio. You have Steve Yates. He's down between Columbus and Cincinnati, that's all he does make jumpsuits. There's a lady in Canada, the lady I buy from. There's a lady in Illinois named Kathy Kittle. That's all she does for a living make jumpsuits. Ajm and then B&K Enterprises.
Speaker 2:That's all they do. Well, I got to ask why don't you use the guy a guy?
Speaker 1:in oh in ohio, because steve is incredibly old and his he's not super accurate with his replicas, so like his spacing isn't quite right. I mean they're decent, but I would call those beginner suits. I'm in an intermediate level right now where I'm buying. If I move to the other company will be like full-fledged, like these are stupidly priced and nobody should be spending that kind of money.
Speaker 5:Is there an estimate on how many Elvis impersonators there are?
Speaker 3:I wonder if that.
Speaker 5:Let's look. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Ask Google.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Roughly 250,000 to 400,000. I guess you could keep them in business. I mean, you got to think I'm buying four a year. Did they count you?
Speaker 5:I don't know, I don't know. Nobody asked you, did they.
Speaker 1:No, nobody surveyed me, that's for sure, nobody surveyed me.
Speaker 2:Maybe they go to the suit makers, maybe they do. That's true. Yeah, how many?
Speaker 1:people do, and then they can cross-reference the list, yeah, and then they sell our information to the other companies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then they try and steal each other's business.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when I found AJM which I had known about them for a long time, but again they're expensive I reached out to them a couple of days ago and just said, hey, interested in a new suit? What would we need to do Because they're in Thailand? I mean, there's a whole process with sending measurements and just getting everything started. Would your suit need a passport? I don't know. It does have to pass through customs.
Speaker 2:I was going to say I've been stuck in customs.
Speaker 1:Yes, I do know that I had a pair of glasses get stuck in customs for weeks.
Speaker 2:Hey, I have a Parasites.
Speaker 1:I have something I bought in November that still hasn't showed up in my house yet. Where'd you buy it from? It was a car air freshener from a company called Drift, and they have the worst customer service ever. They will do not. They won't give me a refund because they say it's still in transit, which it is technically, but it went from New Jersey to Dover, to Michigan, and then it never moved from Michigan for like 45 days. It was insanity. And then it said that it was out for delivery in Dover, but we forwarded the address so it still never showed up, but yeah, huh yeah did you order it through Amazon?
Speaker 1:no, ordered it through drift, but anyhow, I ended up charging it back on my credit card and got my money back, so it didn't really matter, but it's still annoying and I won't buy another one from them. It's not going to waste my time.
Speaker 5:Have you ever had the desire to design your own jumpsuit? No, never, or is that like a no-no In the Elvis world?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was going to say the reason I haven't is because if you want to ever do a competition, they have to be authentic jumpsuits.
Speaker 3:Have you ever done a competition.
Speaker 1:Why not you would be surprised. I mean, this is a theory of mine, this is a theory of mine and this happens a lot in our area, and I think it happens a lot with anybody who has any level of talent. Everybody's like oh my gosh, you're so good, you should go on American Idol. Oh, you should go on the Voice, you should go on America's Got Talent. Fact of the matter is we're small town good, not big town good. You know what I mean? I'm not Vegas material. I could be but I don't.
Speaker 5:It's not a. I just learned that with the Gettysburg Guide test.
Speaker 1:Yes, oh, my God you should do it.
Speaker 5:You know everything. Yes, I know everything.
Speaker 1:And that's the hard part, and I'm very humble about it. I'm okay, but I enjoy my nursing home circuit and I enjoy my little shows. I don't need to be on a big stage somewhere in Vegas. It's just not what I'm shooting for. And don't get me wrong. I want to start doing some small competitions, but I'm not interested in the ultimate competition. They have eight qualifiers a year and then you go to Graceland during Elvis week. I mean it's a huge competition.
Speaker 1:Those guys are way better than me well, and there are some guys that get there every year, that make it to the ultimate competition every year, yeah, and never win and you gotta understand, like some of these people, that's all they do that's what I was thinking
Speaker 5:and higher focus in life is there's an expense associated with it.
Speaker 1:If I were to do a small competition, you figure there's an expense associated with it. If I were to do a small competition, you figure there's $150 registration fee just to be in the competition, you have 150 bucks. You got overnight stay. Typically there are two nights, sometimes three depending on how far you make it in the competition. So you've got a three night stay plus food and then anything else that you would have to cover while you're there, and if you lose it's just gone.
Speaker 5:Yeah, but it's serious. Is there an elvis impersonator podcast?
Speaker 1:oh, I'm sure there is. Let's uh look that up.
Speaker 5:Google it, because if not, we're starting one.
Speaker 4:Yeah first episode tonight no, there's not, it doesn't look like there's one specifically for you.
Speaker 1:Got to jump on it there's your what's this? There's your next mission yeah we know this one's just like about memphis and they talk about elvis week and things like that. We I should do that that would be fun that would be fun.
Speaker 5:Just do phone interviews with people on it before somebody else did yeah I mean, if there's an idea out there that hasn't been taken.
Speaker 1:No kidding, it's, yeah, pretty amazing, so yeah yeah, to have a new revolutionary idea that somebody isn't already doing is pretty.
Speaker 4:If we have the technology clicking yeah someone's gonna take your idea once.
Speaker 3:Thanks a lot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right yeah, alissa is not a third no it would be a fourth podcast. Actually it might end up being a fifth. I am working with the chamber right now on launching a podcast for Twin Cities just about local businesses. So each business gets to come on and do a half hour episode about what they do, the types of things that they sell, and kind of do a quick promotion of their business and things like that Wait so what other ones are you?
Speaker 3:Yeah, you like that. So wait, so the ones are you? Yeah, you're that.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I've got that one, this one, got this one, the one we have tied together, which is the marriage podcast which Sid and Chase just joined, so we're doing that with the four of us. Then I have rewind, which is our church podcast. Oh, yeah, and so that would be podcast number five.
Speaker 3:That one's cheating.
Speaker 1:Well, not really. I mean, I still have to record it.
Speaker 3:But you're recording it when you're preaching.
Speaker 1:Well, maybe so, but it still has to be maintained, All right all right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Okay. Yeah, otherwise it would just be never, be updated. Actually, that one's over in minutes right now. I'm like over by two hours on that. Oh way to go, I know so, by two hours on that Way to go, I know, so there's an extra.
Speaker 3:Nick, were you preaching in that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, what? No? It's because I recently started including the Wednesday night services, oh, okay. And so now that's an extra half hour, 45 minutes that gets tacked on there so.
Speaker 4:I had to.
Speaker 3:Let it go. Let it go it's not my record anymore, anyway yeah.
Speaker 1:Who took your record, holly?
Speaker 5:Holly beat you. I'm off the hook.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's funny. Well, tonight's topic.
Speaker 3:Oh, we're going to go to there, we are going to go there.
Speaker 1:We are actually going to talk about something. So, sid, this was yours, and it says the Bible was written for us, not to us. This is more of a statement than a question, but it creates some questions because a lot of times, this is a I can't reach this is my copy now there's a.
Speaker 1:Some people get church hurt because they don't want a pastor who preaches at them but that preaches to them. It's a fair statement, right, some pastors preach at you. They try to tell you all of the things that you are doing wrong and how you should change them, versus a pastor who is preaching the word, the gospel, and trying to change lives. Right, there's a difference there, so the Bible is essentially that same thought.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The book of Colossians was not written to us, it was written for us so that we could read that and have that information, but they weren't talking to us specifically.
Speaker 3:To us in the 21st century, correct?
Speaker 1:I would be frightened if Paul had to write a letter to the church today Like can you imagine what that church, what that letter would say? And it would be a long one. It would be a really long one yeah. He'd still be writing yeah, yeah, yeah he might not ever get to get it finished.
Speaker 3:I don't know so he's like I'm cramping up over here.
Speaker 1:So I had some thoughts, but I'll let you guys start first well said, what was your what?
Speaker 5:how'd you come up with that?
Speaker 3:well, it was in the podcast. I listened to, that. I shared um, that Wesley Huff had mentioned it and basically he was saying um, you know and it's, it's nothing against the people at the time, but they were illiterate a lot, you know, like they didn't realize how big this world was. Um, and that's not, that wasn't Wesley's biggest point, but even like, uh, certain you know, like the ocean, like the ocean is brought up a lot of times because they, because it's something powerful you know, right, that's what.
Speaker 3:That's how they comprehended it. Do you know what I'm saying? Like so I guess that's kind of how I was picturing it, because a lot of people, you know, look at it and they're like well, also, there's a lot to it, there's a lot of symbolism, and people aren't like symbolic anymore, like they want. Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:Black and white.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so that's kind of where I was starting out with it, I suppose.
Speaker 1:People aren't symbolic, I think is a great place to start, but they're also argumentative, which is an even better place to start because, let's be honest, we love to argue Scripture because we want to be right rather than letting somebody else be right.
Speaker 1:We've talked about this in the past, but there's a local pastor of a larger church who thinks that Jesus has already come and that's the gospel that they preach, that the second coming has already happened and that I don't know if we're left here to—I don't know what the concept is, but that heaven is here, heaven is now and we should be rejoicing in it and we should be—anyhow, it's a long, very complicated—and when he speaks I listen like I'm a moron, like I feel like I'm an idiot, just listening. I don't get any of it. It's not the gospel that's ever been preached to me. Now he has a thriving church who really buys into this idea, and maybe he's right. I don't know, maybe we've got it wrong. I'm not sure. I can't tell you that. But what I'll tell you is that if 98% of the churches are on our side, I'm thinking.
Speaker 3:I'm pretty confident and I know the word is alive, just yeah, much today, as it was at that time. But I think when someone actually sat down and you know, when john sat down was like I'm gonna write this, you know, down. He wanted to write it down that way it wouldn't be forgotten. He was writing it down in his terms, you know.
Speaker 1:And we go into revelation obviously wasn't.
Speaker 3:I shouldn't say he wasn't thinking of us, he wasn't. You know he was, he was in his time and it's nothing on him or anything jesus was thinking about us right right but peter paul, john, that none of them were.
Speaker 1:They they couldn't even comprehend when jesus was telling them that he would die and then raise again in three days. They couldn't comprehend that, let alone the idea that their words would live forever and that the modern church, today's church, would be reading those as something that maybe they aren't, or something that were harder to interpret. Because, well, let's be honest, what they wrote was not clear. It was not easy to interpret.
Speaker 4:All right, I need to go A lot of that. You have to understand Jewish customs.
Speaker 1:Right, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 4:Translations at that time and Well, I joined somebody number.
Speaker 1:You guys can keep talking. I have to find this. I know what I want, but I got to find it.
Speaker 5:So what does everyone else think, since I kind of elaborated a little bit, roger, Well, I think scripture is meant to be that way, that it's meant to be Open for interpretation. Well, I think scripture is meant to be that way that it's meant to be open. It's even almost like it's kind of the same concept of our constitution and our government. It's a living constitution. It wasn't set in stone like. These are the rules, and if it wasn't mentioned here, you know.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Then it doesn't have any weight. A lot of things the way that it was written. It was written so that, yeah, people for all time can benefit from it.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 5:So I think scripture is a lot like that. It's you know? Yeah, it's not. It wasn't written for us, it was written, yeah uh for us. Yeah. Uh it was written. Yeah, I, I, I. You can't say that. No, they didn't write it with us in mind, but I think they wrote it with mankind, you know generally speaking generally speaking like, yeah, this is good, this, what we're writing, is going to be for all time and for all people even if how far that was going to go?
Speaker 1:Right, right, I definitely think that was the intent. Yeah, I think it's important to understand that the words, most of the words that we read, were written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. So God telling them to write these things down so that they may be put into a book.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Specifically at the beginning of Revelation it says this is the revelation from Jesus Christ which God gave him concerning the events that will happen soon. An angel was sent to God's servant, john, so that John could share the revelation with God's other servants. John faithfully reported the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ and everything that he saw. And then it goes on to the book of Revelation. So John had these visions of all of the things that are happening in Revelation and he's writing them down right and he's trying to describe these things in as much detail as humanly possible. That is how all of the books are basically written. But now you also have to take into consideration that you know there are times when Paul is in prison and there's a difference in mindset when you're in bondage versus when you're when you have freedom and while he says you know, I am a slave to jesus christ and he's always arguing that like they can lock me up, but I'm never going to stop serving.
Speaker 1:That may be true, but you're going to have a bad day, every whip stitch and you're probably gonna miss some details or whatever. So we have to keep that in mind, that this isn't like day-by-day journal entries. These are stories that are put together in order to try to get us from point A to point B. There are gaps that we are not going to have all of the answers for. You find those answers through prayer and supplication. You find those answers through fasting and prayer. You did. There's not, you're never going to have all of the answers. I have more scripture. Can I go again? Okay, all right. First Corinthians, chapter 14, verse 34. Anybody know what? That is? No Great. This is my favorite. I stand by this one too. Just so we're all clear.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 1:Women should be silent during church meetings. No, I'm just kidding, it is what it says, but I'm just kidding. It is not proper for them to speak. They should be submissive, just as the law says. If they have any questions to ask, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is Now that's a strong statement, right? Like basically sit down and shut up, don't talk. We don't want to hear you.
Speaker 1:Okay, now, this is concerning exercising the gifts in public worship, so prophecy and prayer and things like that. So that is chapter 14, verse 34. But if we go back to verse 11, it says a man is responsible to Christ, a woman is responsible to her husband and Christ is responsible to God. A man dishonors Christ if he covers his head while praying or prophesying, but a woman dishonors her husband if she prays or prophesies without covering her head. Well, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. If she's not allowed to talk, why are we telling her that she can pray and prophesy? Yeah, but that's in private. No, this is talking about in public, public prayer. Oh, okay, public prayer. I didn't hear that. Yes, public prayer.
Speaker 2:You know what that sounds like what?
Speaker 1:Sounds like maybe a Mennonite. Yes, yeah, so I think the point, and that's where the Mennonite, that's why the ladies always wear a head covering. I think the point that I make behind that is a lot of times people want to use chapter 14, verse 34. They forget about that as a way of saying women shouldn't preach. They're picking and choosing, but if I go back, I would say my argument would be that he's telling us that they can so long as their head is covered. Now, again, we talk about whether or not the law is like that's a real thing or not. But anyhow, my point is, when you read that in context and you actually read the whole book, you learn that the women of the church in Corinthians they were really on fire and they wanted as much information as they could get, and at the time those women had to sit behind a curtain in the church. So the men sat in the front because they were being taught.
Speaker 1:The women were allowed to listen, but they were to just listen behind the curtain and what would happen is those women would press against the curtain and they would say what does he mean? What's he talking about? We don't understand. And they're asking these questions and whoever's preaching can't get the word out because they're being interrupted constantly. So Paul is saying, hey, you guys are great, the sun really does rise and set on the church of Corinthians. However, you got to sit down and shut up, right? We can't get the word out if you're not listening. When you have a question, jot it down and then, when you get home, text it to your husband something. You know what I mean. When you get home, you guys can hash it out.
Speaker 1:The problem was was the women, in my opinion, were far more desiring of the word than the men were, because the men had been allowed to have the word their entire lives. The women are just now getting to the point where they're like starting to really dive in and understand. So I don't know what my point was. It's all right, but my point was that, oh, my point was it was written for them in that time. Yes, it was written in that situation, for that situation. It was not written necessarily to tell us good, bad or indifferent on whether or not women can.
Speaker 3:And I'm sure it was written in an emotion, you know.
Speaker 1:Oh, certainly.
Speaker 3:He's probably like getting shoved every which direction trying to like.
Speaker 1:Maybe he's irritated at that time because these girls are, I'm sure he is he's like I'm just going to sit there right now and I can't remember who was preaching at the time. Was it Timothy that was there at the time, does anybody remember? But basically he had gotten a letter from Tim. I think it was Timothy. He had gotten a letter from Timothy that said hey, listen, I can't get anything done. Every time I try.
Speaker 4:These women are.
Speaker 1:It's not just the women, but they're all really nagging me and they're just getting on my nerves. Can you help me out? And so he writes this letter, basically rebuking the behavior but not the people. And so that's the. There's a.
Speaker 3:Silver line.
Speaker 1:We can understand that, we can read it in context, but we can't take it and use it against people today. But we can't take it and use it against people today. There's a difference in it was written to them, it was written for us.
Speaker 3:Yes, that makes sense, yes.
Speaker 1:Hey, that's a topic, isn't it? Good, see what I did there Circle back A whole conversation on topic. We did it. I even forgot what I was saying for a second, but I was able to loop it. It only took three seasons.
Speaker 3:We started out slow, but I think once we got to it we stuck with it.
Speaker 1:What other thoughts do we have? Any other scriptures? There's a lot of scriptures like that, but do any of us struggle with the fact that Judas is in hell?
Speaker 4:I do yeah, okay, absolutely Okay.
Speaker 1:And the reason I struggle with that and I have to like, I have to put it because the Bible tells us very directly he's in hell, like it's, there's no sugarcoating it. It says that he is. I struggle so badly because every time I think about that I'm like, had it not been for what he did, jesus wouldn't have died Mm-hmm, he wouldn't have been resurrected and we wouldn't have everlasting life. So I feel like like throw the man a bone.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Right Like, can we? Can we give him a pardon, a presidential pardon, a full and unconditional presidential pardon?
Speaker 5:Let's think about it If he walks away and says I can't do this.
Speaker 1:Right, it's done, it's, it's literally over yes, correct. So yeah, I struggle with it and I've just always, it's always been one of those like you. You want to think that you know, because jesus goes to hell and he comes out with the keys, right. I want to think that, like judas is like, uh, fabio riding on jesus's shoulders, his hair's blowing in the wind and you know what I mean, like I like, that's what I want Hides him underneath his robe.
Speaker 5:Yes, right, he sneaks them out.
Speaker 1:But you know it's really hard to swallow that we wouldn't be where we are if it weren't for that, but yet he is suffering in hell.
Speaker 4:And had no choice in it no Well.
Speaker 1:Well, he did, but he had to fulfill Right, he was fulfilling prophecy, and so God had ordained those steps and we knew that it was going to happen. But again, we also know that we all have free will, right, Like when God speaks to us and we decide to go the other route. I mean Jesus in the garden, he was Lord. Should it be your will, allow this cup to pass for me. Even Jesus is saying like listen, I really don't want to do this, I'll do it if it's what you want. And I mean Judas would have been in that same position where I'll do what I have to do, but I don't really want to do this. And at any point he could have changed, and he did change his mind.
Speaker 1:He was like he has the silver and he's like no, take it back. And they're like too late, too late, ruth. Anybody remember that movie? Stephen King, no Tommyknockers. It was a terrible movie. Don't watch it. It's a Stephen King, no Tommyknockers.
Speaker 5:It's a terrible movie. Don't watch it. That's a lot like the Shining. It's a Stephen King movie.
Speaker 1:It's these little dolls. They come to life and they're like Too late, Ruth, Too late.
Speaker 3:You sounded like the monster on. Monsters Inc. I'm watching Wazowski, always watching.
Speaker 1:Wazowski, you forgot to turn in your paperwork. That's one of my favorites. I used to know a lady who smoked heavily and I would call her on. This is OK, all right. Umbrella of grace, umbrella of grace, umbrella of grace. This isn't funny, it is funny. So she used to. I was when I worked in a mattress store.
Speaker 3:This was before you got before I knew Jesus.
Speaker 1:Well, that's not entirely true. It was. I was not on the straight and narrow, let's put it that way. I knew Jesus, but was definitely not fellowshipping with him at this point. And she was our account rep at a mattress company and you would call her and she'd be like this is Gwen and she was the sweetest lady you'd ever meet. But you would like just. And one time I said to her, I said Gwen, you know, your voice is just so sexy. She is like blown away she's. I was dying, but her voice was just so raspy. Anyhow, that was, I digress, but yeah, poor lady, poor lady.
Speaker 5:I thought you were going to ask her.
Speaker 1:can you just say that would have been great oh boy. Anyhow, here we go. Loop is back, lady. Yeah, somebody pull us back. Somebody pull us back, please.
Speaker 4:Oh.
Speaker 2:Ay, ay, ay, ay ay.
Speaker 1:Well, so much for that. Okay, there's got to be another thought about this, right.
Speaker 5:I'm working on it. Okay, let me ask another question then.
Speaker 1:I have a feeling, based on the graphics that I had to design for this Saturday's women's conference, that they're going to talk about Lot and his wife and Sodom and Gomorrah. My question is there is in that region a statue it's not really a statue, it is a rock formation that they call Lot's Wife because it looks like a tall pillar and it's kind of standing almost by itself, and they refer to that as Lot's Wife, almost as if that is Lot's Wife having been turned into salt and being there for all of these years.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if it rained she'd be dissolved, because salt dissolves in water.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying I don't know that they're really saying I don't know that anybody's really saying that. My question is do we think that those things exist? Are we ever going to find the ark of the covenant?
Speaker 3:I don't know that was another thing I don't believe so but they brought up, you know, like a lot of people in that time in the ancient world, like they believed in, like witches and the supernatural and things like that. So you could maybe put that into effect whenever they were writing these things. Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:she's a witch. Bring out your dad, okay, what movie is that from monty python? The quest for the holy grail? Okay, I'm not a witch. Look at her nose. You put it on me.
Speaker 3:I'm not a puppet, I'm a real boy. I'm not a puppet, I'm a real boy, not the gumdrop buttons we were going so good.
Speaker 1:I know it, just it happens, so she mentioned it. Yes, right, had to say it, we were on top good, I know it, just it happens, so she mentioned it. Yes, right, had to say that we were on top. Sorry my brain. Hey, I got a text from Tanya. Was it today, maybe yesterday, I can't remember what day it was.
Speaker 1:but she sent me a text and she's like, hey, I was listening to the podcast and I know that lady at the restaurant, that's really mean and I was like I know, so it was a whole thing about that to the podcast and I know that lady at the restaurant, that's really mean and I was like I know right, so there was a whole thing about that. So eventually that's getting back to that lady.
Speaker 3:So just so we're all clear on that one. So we've got a good name out for us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe, and maybe she'll find some Jesus. I don't know. You know the sade her that she's mean, but anyhow Well some people it just comes natural.
Speaker 5:So how about— you have plenty of people who, okay, they don't believe in the Bible because we can't find the Ark Right, not the Ark of the Covenant.
Speaker 1:The Ark, noah's Ark? Yeah, noah's Ark. We can't find it.
Speaker 5:Yes, so therefore the whole Bible is alive.
Speaker 1:Has to be alive.
Speaker 5:This ark does not exist. But my argument plenty of things in history that we still can't find, and and there's plenty of documentation to back up the history, but for whatever reason, we can't find where the guy's buried we can't find. You know their treasure we can't find doesn't mean it didn't exist, doesn't mean it's not history, it's just yeah, there's.
Speaker 1:There are holes in history because we weren't around, we don't know. And the people who were around guess what? They all dead. It's just like when we talk about noah and the great flood. You know, we're finding fossils of fish in mountains yeah how else did they get there?
Speaker 1:they didn't swim up the mountain a bird I don't have legs, then yeah, yeah I don't know, I'm not sure if you know how this works, but they did not swim up that mountainside. So, and I you know, I think that there may come a time when something is revealed, when we're able to find something. But you know, they've found what they thought were parts of the ark in the past and they carbon date the wood and it doesn't carbon date old enough or it carbon dates older.
Speaker 3:My thing is is we don't really have a full understanding of the time frame either yeah, we keep time differently than we ever have there's really, and they've kept time differently in so many I know different, even in regions, even in regions. And I think during that time they were keeping time by their knuckles or something.
Speaker 1:I don't know. Yeah, it wasn't their Apple Watch, they didn't have their Casio, casio Atomic Watch.
Speaker 5:I just see John Candy in planes, trains and automobiles. When he's trying to get to the hotel room, steve Martin has a Rolex watch and he shows it to the guy. So yeah, he gives him a room and John Candy's like.
Speaker 2:I've got the.
Speaker 1:Casio. Did it have the calculator in it? I don't know. Those were my favorites.
Speaker 5:And the guy's like, sorry, I'm going to have to say goodnight.
Speaker 1:I want to get me one of those with the calculator built in.
Speaker 5:What was I going to say? Oh, I lost it again.
Speaker 2:How old are you, Nick?
Speaker 5:There it was 45.
Speaker 2:Roger 45.
Speaker 1:There it was and there it went.
Speaker 3:Wesley Huff was even saying there was speculation of like the whole three days, you know, with the dying, and like three days later, like there's speculation, it could have actually been sooner based on how they took time Correct Based on the ways that we think that they we we count time in 24 hour periods.
Speaker 1:Therefore, everything is 24 hour periods, even when it, even when that's not how they were keeping time. It's the same with the seven days of creation. We don't know what that actually looked like. It could have been seven years, right, and again, we've talked about this in the past. But it says that a minute is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a minute unto the Lord. And when people say, you know, jesus is coming soon again, sooner than yesterday, but we don't know what that means. No man shall know the hour, but we know that we are closer than we were yesterday.
Speaker 3:But and we also know he was born, he lived, he died and rose again Like that we know. That is the hundred percent the truth.
Speaker 5:And going back to the book and the life of Jesus in the crucifixion. Throughout history, thousands and thousands of years, there has been trends. There have you know? There have been trends.
Speaker 5:There, have you know there have been civilizations that have come and gone. So why is it that this book that was written by all these different people within this certain amount of time, about Jesus, you know he could have lived and died, and it could have been a big thing for a while and then just kind of died out yeah, it could have been a trend. Everybody got excited about it like tiktok we could only hope and it could have just been something that we kind of that.
Speaker 5:We kind of almost look like king arthur and the knights of the round table you know we could, we could be looking at it like that, but it's the one thing in the history that humankind is consistently passionate about, right like we have clung to this story, we have clung to this history, we have clung to this man, and it's the one thing that doesn't go away. So I think that in itself is for anybody who doubts it, or for anybody has questions, or or, like you're saying, whether you know they wrote it for us or to us. I guess it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 5:The fact is that this book, this one book of recorded history, has made such an impact, yep, through thousands. You know, generation after generation, and there's nothing else like that. There really isn't nothing else like that there really is. I mean, like I said, there's plenty of.
Speaker 5:You know, I'm sure, when moby dick came out, um, now, maybe that's a bad example, because I don't even think, at first it was very popular, but uh, well, no, because it was a huge, terrible book when charles dickens wrote the christmas carol was a huge hit, you know, and and there's a lot of books that were, uh, you know, really important for their time, even like things like Frankenstein and Tom Sawyer and all those books. But yeah, it's still interesting to some people now. But, for most people it's like who's going?
Speaker 2:to read it.
Speaker 5:Who's really going to take the time to read Moby Dick? A few of us will that are kind of interested in that kind of thing, but it's not like the bible. It's the one book, it's the one thing that has, uh, made millions of people commit to this idea. Yeah, and like you said, there were different populations, and it's not because, and it's not because when you read it, it's interesting no, lord have mercy so so explain that, yeah, it's not like, it's not a page turner, it's not a thriller.
Speaker 1:Right, you're not reading this going. I have to get to the next page.
Speaker 5:So explain that.
Speaker 1:So why?
Speaker 5:does this book have such a hold on people, generation after generation?
Speaker 1:I have two statements. First, you said you were talking about King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table. Join me on my quest for Camelot. So that was my first point. My second point was that was good that was pretty sharp.
Speaker 1:It's another Monty Python reference. Jesus is listed as a prophet in the Quran. Jesus is the only prophet that commonly pops up in all of the other religions. So we know for a fact that Jesus was real. So there is no doubt that Jesus was a real person who lived on earth and walked, and so people are like well, there's no proof that that's true. I can't imagine every religion would at least mention him and it not be true. So then, the difference is we have to then be able to accept the fact that he was not just a prophet, as those religions will have you believe, that he was king of kings and lord of lords.
Speaker 5:He wasn't this guy that just came in and stirred things up for a while.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 5:Because he could have, he could have just been a legend, you know, because I think there's even plenty of people who, yeah, they actually live, but they're more or less legends yeah, you know we don't think of them anymore than yeah, like paul bunyan sam bass.
Speaker 1:I don't even know who sam bass is. I think sam bass was a caveman.
Speaker 5:I'm not sure for our history, even, like you know, daniel Boone and Davy Crockett they're legends. Now they're not even real people to us, but they were real people. But they've kind of turned into a legend and Jesus could have been the same way.
Speaker 1:You said that, as if Paul Bunyan wasn't a real person. He was a real person, wasn't he?
Speaker 5:I don't think so. I think he was. And what about babe?
Speaker 1:I don't think babe was a real blue ox but, she was just an ox oh, that's not fair you know why she was blue? Nope, he was not a real person. So I've lived a lie. My entire life has been a lie because it it was cold. Wow, I had no idea. I thought, for sure he was real.
Speaker 5:Like I didn't think that he was some giant that drove.
Speaker 1:Johnny Appleseed might have been. He was real. He was real, yeah.
Speaker 5:But he's a legend now, yeah.
Speaker 1:But even go back through history and think about some of the presidents, lincoln would be more of a legend than he. George Washington is elected more or less when you think about those people, like you think about George Washington and people talk about his wooden teeth and like all of the things that maybe aren't fully accurate, but it's the story that we know and it's the story that we tell Shopping down the cherry tree?
Speaker 5:Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1:All of those things were just yeah.
Speaker 5:So yeah, so why? You know that's always the question is there had to be something to it. It couldn't have just been coincidence, it couldn't have just been you know, it has to be.
Speaker 5:There has to be something to it that has changed the world. And, as I've said many times, you know this world was a pretty cruel place before he came along. And I don't think a lot of people realize that cruel place before he came along and I don't think a lot of people realize that. I think they kind of think like kindness and all the ideas that he brought forth were there. No, they really weren't. You know, the world was a pretty dark and cruel place where pretty unforgiving and you know, even the wrath of God was pretty. You know it was a rough place to be, you know. So, yeah, without him it's like we don't have the ideas of forgiveness and love and those fruits that you've discussed.
Speaker 1:They would be again legend status where, okay, those are things that we might talk about, but they're not things that we feel obligated to, morally obligated to. Obligated to because, all right, if ground zero for morality is Jesus, everything good comes from God, everything bad comes from Satan or from hell or whatever. So if that is like the, if you don't believe that Jesus Christ is who he says he is, where's your moral compass? Start Like what's the barometer for that?
Speaker 5:Like where do you go?
Speaker 1:What's good, what's bad. So, for people who don't believe in God, if shooting somebody is bad, how do you determine that? Because what is morality? The Bible is what teaches us that, right, like that's the general basis and we can say, oh, society, it's not acceptable. Well, the problem is, in some societies it is acceptable. So how do you know? We know because, well, the problem is in some societies it is acceptable, right. So how do you know? Yeah, we know, because the Bible says it's not acceptable, right.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, a lot of people could argue that that, you know we don't. Our conscience is just something that we learn, basically from our parents and from society.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 5:The conscience is built on, on what we experience. So if yeah, so if you do see somebody get shot or you think about, well yeah, it causes pain, so obviously it has to be bad.
Speaker 1:But but what is pain?
Speaker 5:because what is pain? Because?
Speaker 1:okay, so let's put it this way pain is gain, pain is gain so let's put it this way uh, let's say that you use your charge card and you buy something, and you get it and you love it and it's wonderful and you keep it, but you decide that I really can't afford to make the minimum payment on this, so I'm going to charge it back with my credit card company. I know my credit card company is going to give me full credit for it, right, because typically they err on the side of the buyer and then the merchant just loses that money. Well, it's Amazon who cares, right? They have billions of dollars, does it matter? Is it still morally correct? No, no, but you don't feel pain from it. Jeff Bezos doesn't feel pain from that. Nobody's really feeling pain, but it is still not morally right. That's the stuff that like without Jesus.
Speaker 5:And it's going to continue. You're going to continue to make those bad decisions. Eventually it is going to affect your life in a the next thing.
Speaker 1:You know it's super easy. You go to work and you take out the petty cash box. You're like, oh, you know what, Somebody balanced this wrong. There's an extra 20. That's going in my pocket.
Speaker 5:That's the last 20 things I've done, exactly.
Speaker 1:Right, and eventually you get caught and then you're like well, how did this happen? Because your moral compass is really broken, yeah, and we don't know how to. We don't know how to bring it back to zero, because we, if you don't believe in Jesus, you don't have, you don't understand what zero is.
Speaker 4:You don't understand what neutral is.
Speaker 5:That was fun, well, you know, human sin causes us a lot of times to live our lives through power and control and everything that we have to gain from this world. So without Jesus a lot of times that I think that's how people are going to follow through in life.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 5:They're going to try to get everything through holding something over somebody else. You know, keeping power, which?
Speaker 5:is yeah, that's, that's the way a lot of civilizations were ran, you know, before Jesus came along, before he started changing people's minds about you know how to live. It's just like. I mean, I know the Egyptians did it and and I'm and that's. I guess that's one thing like I'm still trying to understand, like, okay, like I've learned some things about Egyptian society, but I'm trying to figure out, like, okay, like I'm sure they love their sons and daughters, but I don't know if it's like the way we think about it, because I think they were always thinking like, okay, son, you're going to take over the kingdom, so everything you do has to be rooted in that idea that someday you're going to have to rule with the same kind of power and authority that I do. I don't know if they're, I guess I don't know what their moral compass was. So I'm still trying to learn more about that.
Speaker 3:But I don't think it's. I don't know if they had one, you know.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. I'm not saying that maybe they didn't love their children but I don't know if it's the way that we think about it, because I think it did have more to do with power and control. And if you weren't one of those, you know, if you weren't in that high authority or, in their case, if you weren't a priest or a magician or somebody who was in that you know ring of authority, yeah, you're a peasant.
Speaker 5:You were not right. You were absolutely nothing. You know they didn't show those people any kindness or mercy, or you know grace.
Speaker 1:Yeah, to point to that when I preached about um, moses and aaron going to pharaoh and asking that, uh, for the people to be released, and some of the things that he would have them do is he would say, okay, have Aaron throw down his staff, his staff will turn into a snake. When he picks the staff or the snake up, it will turn back into a staff. And what did Pharaoh do? He said that's nothing, I can do that. And he would go out and he would bring these people in and they would do that exact same thing. And we don't fully understand that all of that was very intentional. All of that was very intentional and that, when you say like so to him, moses and Aaron were nobodies because you're doing parlor magic.
Speaker 1:Like everybody can do this Like. You're not the only one that can do it. This isn't God speaking. This is just you learning how to do a trick to try to convince me to do something. But in the end, there was obviously the parting of the Red Sea that his people could not do, hence the whoosh Bye-bye. They were flushed away. Alright, any parting wisdom Last minute?
Speaker 5:thoughts. Sid, it's your turn to pray.
Speaker 1:They were flushed away. Alright, any parting wisdom?
Speaker 3:last minute thoughts, sid, it's your turn to pray alright dear heavenly father, I thank you for this time that we had tonight. I thank you that you put this topic on my mind. Lord, it was for someone maybe not now, maybe, maybe, maybe, so maybe in the future. Um, I pray that. Uh, you know, it just touches whoever and um, I pray someone got something out of it and I pray for travel. Mercies in your name, amen.
Speaker 5:Amen.
